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This place is kinda dead so I decided to try starting some sort of thread.
I'm sure most of you know about the war started in Europe. Any opinions?
Nissan_Altima
I don't claim to be an expert on politics in that part of the world, nor do
I want this to be taken as fact because it is only my opinion based on what
I've read from various sources over the last week.
I think this pretty much comes down to a 16 year bully beating up on your
10 year old brother knowing full well that you can't retaliate because
you're 19 and will go to jail. There have always been territorial disputes
in this part of the world, and I don't think Russia cares squat about South
Ossetia. This is just an excuse to invade Georgia and then watch as
Georgia's biggest brother, the USA, has to essentially stand by and do
nothing. Then Moscow can use it as propaganda saying the backed down the
US, thereby making then appear to be stronger.
But then, I might be entirely wrong.
BTW, good subject.
vwhobo
Researching it as we speak. The TV news blows. During lunch I flipped
through the 5 or so news stations and got maybe 2 minutes of coverage on
this, but 20 minutes of campaign shit where there wasn't really any news.
BULLSHIT. I like to sit back and watch the news rather than read it
online, but I suppose this is a good habbit to get into.
giant016
Just had to come back for one post in this thread.
The news really isn't covering this too much. I see it sometimes, but
there's a lot of stuff about Obama's handicap (golf handicap) and who's
gonna be who's running mate.
The U.S. doesn't want to send troops in right now because they're already
in 2 wars, they don't really have the manpower to fight Russia. Also, the
invasion is already extremely unpopular so they have no reason to go in
alone. They can get the international community involved (NATO?) and the
ordeal can end much smoother.
Also, I just want to point out that while the Bush Administration has made
many mistakes throughout his presidency in how he handles stuff, what
they're doing now is pretty impressive.
chris_knows
This thread is further proof that intelligent conversation is essentially
impossible on this forum. Nice try though.
vwhobo
Agreed. Granted, I never replied so I am as much to blame as anyone else.
So...who would you (referring to all members of the forum that read this
thread) support, if you were asked?
Personally, I'm from Russia and yet I don't think Russians are in the
correct here. I do, however, think it's a gray area. Russians have been
"instigating" in South Ossetia for years, clearly provoking the Georgians.
Should the Georgians have attacked? No. However, in a Russian retaliation,
their tanks went WAY past the agreed border. Then there's the theory that
Georgian president, Saakashvili, brutally murdered a bunch of "his people"
in that area.
I must admit the above paragraph is strongly opinion built on loosely
learned facts. Counter arguments are welcome. Opinions?
Nissan_Altima
I had been planning to reply to this thread, but I was putting in a lot of
hours at work, so I didn't have time to really look into understanding who
hit who first, I just knew that something was going on because I overheard
it from one of the resident's TV. Even to this day it doesn't really make
sense to me, but then again I never understood all the rearranging of
countries that has gone on over there in the past 100 years. This whole
thing just reminds me of your classic school yard brawl. I hit him because
he hit me because he pulled my hair because he stole my book because he
took my pencil... Of course Russia is obviously much bigger and stronger,
and I believe it greatly overreacted, but you can't say they were
completely unprovoked either. It is still all kinda gray to me.
dvdrose18
Admittedly I don't know a ton about this, but from what I've found, Russia
is being a bitch. They're a large, powerful country. When a bodybuilder
gets hit by a spitball from the straw of a fourth grader, he doesn't hit
him. They had the power to handle this reasonably. I have seen absolutely
no reason for them to extend their borders.
giant016
Poor old Russia always has to be the bad guy, but in this one the self
appointed conscience and policeman of the world got a bloody nose. It seesm
as long as the US govt says it's alright to be a republic then it's OK, but
when a small country (Abkhazia) votes in a national referendum (1999) the
result being an overwhelming vote for independence, it doesn't count.
Abkhazia went to Russia for assistance, because the US wouldn't help.
Russia showed who was boss.
Wally
See, it worked. Too many people allow the far left media to shape their
view, especially when it already fits their own distorted perception of how
the world should be. But that's okay. When you're the best at whatever
you do, like the USA, you always have a target on your back. Remember to
hate America first.
Welcome to the beginning of Communist Australia. You may have met the self
appointed leader.
vwhobo
Any media regarding this conflict from the US is bound to be far left and
biased. Afterall Georgia is US ally and of course they'll blindly support
Georgia despite them starting shit off in Osetia. I mean how many people
on this thread have stated that they don't know much about this but are
reading into it?!!:banghead: :banghead:
fudge
Why does left or right have to come into it. The facts are there in my
post. Why citizens think they must rally behind poor decisions of their
govt.s astounds me. Soldiers do as they are told, but the general public
are free to make informed decisions aren't they?
The Georgians were beating up the Abkhazians. The US govt has been
fostering relations with Georgia in Russia's backyard so they could hardly
help. The Russians don't want one of their former territories being part of
NATO. Simple stuff that doesn't require too much nouse nor
interpretation.
Insofar as communist Oz, being as our culture deplores authority and
bignoteitis, I'm sure we'll put up a good fight, with copious help from our
allies.
Wally
Your "culture" has essentially given up all of it's guns and have no way to
put up a good fight against the government. Unlike you, I won't pretend to
be an authority on other countries rights or constitution. In the US, the
Second Amendment recognizes my natural right to keep and bear arms, which
is also how we as a people are able to protect the rest of our rights when
the government tries to usurp them. What will you Aussies do... Throw a
prawn at them when they come to take you away?
BTW, the "facts" that are in your post are actually your interpretation of
the facts, delivered to you by your mostly anti US news organizations. If
you think you're really getting all the facts, you're sadly mistaken. But
then we know that Wally is incapable of making a mistake, at least in his
own mind.
vwhobo
Hitting the turps are we?:confused:
What the hell do guns and US constitution, have to do with Russia and
Georgia? I'm so happy you have a "natural right" to carry a natural rifle
loaded with natural bullets, to naturally mame or naturally kill someone.
What I don't understand is that most of my US acquaintances seem to be
naturally polite, while you seem to be unnaturally turgid when someone has
contrary facts.
I should not have to keep reminding you I am never wrong. There is no need
to be jealous of my superior knowledge, sparkling wit and devastating good
looks, just bask in their radiance and feel better for their glow.
Wally
