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Ok, basically, im a newbie when it comes to dirtbikes. I want to get into
it so I can finally be able to ride with my friends. But before i get into
the racing/freestyle world, I have a few questions.
I'm 6'0, turning 17 years old soon, and weigh around 160 lb. I need to
know what kind of bike I should get for a beginner that can take some
damage.
Also, I heard my friends talking about 2 strokes, and 4 strokes. Whats the
differance between the two?
Does a dirtbike use up gas fast or slow?
I'm sure theres more questions, but thats all I can think of for now.
xist2spire
heres a good explanation of a 2stroke
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_stroke)
and (obviously) theyre good on fuel! very good infact!
True_Brit
if you want to ride around and go places with friends, get some kind of
125cc dirtbike, probably honda or yamaha
and if you really want a lot of power, something with a 250 or more should
do
and you can put 10 bucks worth of gas in one and go for weeks
nighthawk
as you're 6ft tall, the Yamaha DT125Re (as in the name, 125cc) is an ideal
bike for people taller than 5'9/6ft because of the frame height and
size!!!
Click here.
(http://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/products/motorcycles/125cc/dt125re.jsp)
True_Brit
Ok, thanks for the help. I was talking to my friend today, and he said his
dad was willing to sell me his Suzuki 125 for $250. It needs some work
done to it, but he said his dad was going to put all the stuff back on it.
I'm just wondering, should I go out and buy a new unused bike, or buy the
used Suzuki for $250
Also, if I decide to go with a 125, would I still be able to keep up with
my friends when riding since they ride 250's? Or is the power between a 125
and 250 a big difference?
xist2spire
maybe downhill!
theres a difference in power etc like cars, a standard mini cant keep up
with the mustang can it?:thumbs:
as for the bike, go with what you're comfortable with, wether to get a new
one or a used one that needs work on it (parts are inexpensive on them
anyway!)
True_Brit
The thing is, I am able to afford the $250 bike. Whereas with a new bike
will cost between 1-5 grand which will take a while to save up for. If I
decide I don't like to ride ( highly unlikely) then I didn't waste a lot of
money for a bike.
xist2spire
This forum is going (has gone) completly to sh*t. I'm not even sure where
to start. Let's try form the top.
One word. Moron. Did you even bother to read the link you provided, or
were you just trying to simultaneously appear to have some knowledge and up
your post count? This quote is directly from your link;
Do you know ANYTHING about cars, motorcycles or internal combustion
engines? The answer is obviously NO. I suggest you STFU. Did I mention
you were a moron?
Really? Are you sure about that? I have raced and ridden dirt bikes for
over 40 years and have always done my own work/modifications. My son races
and rides. My grandson will when he's old enough. There are few things in
life that cost more to maintain, much less repair, than a dirt bike. The
only thing I know of off the top off my head is an ex-wife. Moron.
To the OP. At 6' and 160 and most importantly being a beginner, a 125 is
more than enough bike for you. Size is not an issue because most 125's
have the same seat height (or even higher) than comparable 250's. You
won't need the power of a 250 to learn with... It might even scare you.
If you can't do the repairs to the old Zuk yourself, a $250 bike can turn
into a $3000 bike real fast, depending on what's wrong. So...
I would recommend finding yourself a older Japanese 125. I'm partial to
Honda myself, but all of the Big-4 Japs make good stuff. You don't need
anything flashy or with the latest mods. Around here you can pick-up a
five year old HondYamaKawaZuki for about $1k in good ready to ride
condition. Budget another $500 for appropriate safety gear... Helmet,
goggles, gloves, boots and pants. I saw somewhere that you were from
So-Cal, you can get it all cheap at Chapparal in Berdo.
vwhobo
A four stroke engine has four 'strokes' or parts of to its repetitive
process.
Intake, compression, combustion and exhaust, in that order.
It makes proportionately less power than two stroke engines, has many more
moving parts, and is larger and heavier.
These tend to last a lot longer than two stroke engines because the
crankshaft area is closed off, so you can put oil in there to lubricate the
moving parts and reduce wear.
Disadvantages: Heavier, larger, less powerful.
Two stroke engines only have the compression and combustion strokes and the
intake and exhaust happens naturally.
The advantages of a two stroke engine are as follows:
- Lots of power packed into it
- Lightweight
- Less moving parts
- More efficient because the piston acts as sort of an intake and exhaust
valve, despite the fact it doesn't have any valves.
There are a lot of disadvantages, though.
- You have to mix an expensive oil in with the gasoline to lubricate the
moving parts
- It is less efficient with gas
- Some gas/air/oil mixture leaks out of the exhaust port during intake,
causing an oily build up around the motor and of course, harming the
environment :(
- They don't last very long over a long period of time and extensive use
because of how the lubrication works.
- It burns this expensive oil pretty fast also.
- It's environmentally unsound :( :( :(
Bronxie
about 2 strokes being unreliable after a long period of time, I have to
say from personal experience that a 2 stroke single cylinder can go over
50,000 miles with no problems (if taken care of)
doesnt sound like all that much but on a snowmobile with a 0.25 liter
engine, thats a load
nighthawk
50K isn't that bad. How much does the special oil cost?
I forgot to mention that another main difference between a two stroker and
a four is that in a two stroker, the spark plug ignites the fuel once every
rotation as opposed to once every other rotation in a four stroker.
That's why it generally can make twice as much power as a four stroker.
Bronxie
special oil?
"2 stroke snowmobile engine oil" $2.99 at the corner store
and to make it even more funny, my particular sled is 29 years old so it
doesnt have oil injection
you mix the gas with the oil and then pour it into the tank, just a little
inconvienent if you dont know the right %'s
nighthawk
Another thing about two strokers is that it doesn't have to be upright to
work effectively, whereas four strokers do.
Bronxie
WTF??? Have you ever heard the words "STFU newb"? I suggest you put them
into effect. Less time typing and more time experiencing what it is you're
talking about would be a good way to actually have a clue when giving
advice. Oh yeah, and find a more accurate place to steal your information
from.
vwhobo
Im going to get a job, then I'm going to go to my local dealer and im going
to buy a 250 and just pay monthly payments instead of paying full price at
once.
Thanks for all of the help btw
xist2spire
Have you ever heard that one post is enough?
What is wrong about my information?
If you can't even name what is wrong, then SHUT THE **** UP and stop being
such a WOMAN about everything.
I've never seen someone who acts like he is so manly BE such a woman about
everything.
Bronxie
Okay douche bag. let's start with your "information" that states;
WTF does that even mean? Do you have a clue or did you just read it on
some other web site and decide to cut and paste it. YOU'RE the one who is
offering "facts". Explain and support them starting with this one.
vwhobo
Instead of bashing other people about their information, why not contribute
to the topic and supply some facts that will help me with dirtbikes?
xist2spire
But you already disregarded his advice and said you're going to get a 250,
when he told you a 125 is more than enough power for a beginner.
Mathew
I know it sucks being passed by your friends, but if they wont wait for
you, find different people to ride with who dont treat a day on dirtbike
like an endurance race
nighthawk
So is that the ONLY piece of information you can find that doesn't make
sense to you?
Wow, from how womanly you acted, you'd think EVERYTHING I said was off.
It means a four stroker can have problems with oil flow if not upright.
I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what I meant, you just had to find
something to bitch about.
Bronxie
No, you litte know nothing dildo. Your "information" as you call it is
essentially incorrect, incomplete or misleading. The best thing you could
have done is completely stay away from this thread. Your user title states
"Dont know crap about cars". That obviously goes double for motorcycles.
Leave the thinking and explanations to those of us who have knowledge and
practical experience. You just go spend some more of Daddy's money. It
seems that's the only thing you're good for.
P.S. The quoted post is a perfect example of what I mean. Explain
yourself in detail. You won't, because you can't. Loser.
vwhobo
Explain in detail for someone whose purposes don't call for that?
Is there a point or a benefit to that? NO.
You just want me to try to explain more so you can nitpick and be a stupid
woman about it like you are about everything.
All your argument is going to be is that what I am saying is not
NECESSARILY true, and not ALL four strokers are necessarily like that,
which really has nothing to do with this at all and is redundant.
If you are claiming to be someone with knowledge, let's see it. Otherwise,
go clean your vagina.
Bronxie
Further confirmation that you don't know what you said or what it means and
that you only gave an answer to appear to have knowledgeable. I feel sorry
for you and people like you really. Someday when you grow up, your balls
drop and maybe even manage get a clue, your vast reservoir of stupidity and
immaturity will be documented for all to see, as it already is. You'll be
able to look back at threads like this and see just how ignorant and
childish you are. Good for you.
P.S. You seem to have an ongoing and unhealthy fascination with my
anatomy. Your mother can assure you that I'm all man. I understand there
are plenty of cross dressing, transsexual, transvestite and transwhatever
websites available for you to look at and wish you were just like them.
Have fun.
vwhobo
I dont really care if I get passed up, but, when im still paying the bike
off in 1-2 years, ill want to ride a 250. So why not get a 250 when I first
learn even though its way more powerful than a 125
xist2spire
I gave my answers to help the kid. What did you do? Nada.
Even if what I said was wrong, which it isn't, what difference does that
make?
Was it really a key piece of information that would change anything in the
kid's mind?
No.
So do you have a reason to be a woman?
No.
Even if I was wrong, that means some haggy loser with nothing better to do
needs to come and be like, 'LOL UR WRONG ABOUT THAT ONE LINE U SAID, THAT
MEANS UR AN IDIOT AND ARENT CAPABLE OF HELPING ANYONE.' ?
If your objective is to help, then help. If your objective is to take out
your anger on other people because of your sorry ass parents that brought
you up the way they did, then let me assure you there are places that can
help you.
Unfortunately, this isn't one of them.
To quote a common idiot on these forums, "Pot, kettle, black."
Bronxie
Finally...
Someone who isn't me has finally seen through the flawed rationale of
vwhobo and is able to boldly defend himself without backing down.
Vwhobo is wrong in many instances, but no one exposes him. He insults more
than anyone else of the forum, but Cliffy never edits his post. And a lot
of the time....HE'S WRONG. He speaks in riddles and questions to appear
wise to the fools. For someone who always begs for clarity, he rarely
explains anything. But the fools will defend him until they die.
Vwhobo, you never explained why you wrote...
...after you read...
Where, again, did I not type the "s" on my "post"? Where is the grammar
error? I'll answer for you...
My Life, My Era
What's the matter, upset because I edited another of you pointless posts
last week? Hobo's posts in this thread weren't obscene, and he was giving
as good as he got. No need for any edits! On the other hand, most of yout
attacks are uncalled for. As for your remark about vwhobo not explaining
what he meant about your sig, I'll explain, seeing as you're clearly not
intelligent enough to work it out :screwy:
Although not necessarily correct in his train of thought, hobo looked at
your sig as if you were speaking about the word "posts" as a plural, rather
than speaking about the mistakes of an individal member, with more than one
post.
Cliffy
I'd rather he speak for himself.
The biased in your post is awesome. You're saying that I was right, and he
was wrong....but you included that I wasn't the intelligent one in the
encounter....hmmmm...
Let's Re-Cap
I was right...
He was wrong...
I'm stupid?
Will you admit that you are a biased FORUM LEADER?
My Life, My Era
Sorry dumbass, you lose on all counts. "Posts" is the plural of "post".
"Post's" is a contraction of two words and beyond that I honestly don't
recall what it's called. In your signature you used the word " posts' ".
Got it?
So, let's recap.
I was right...
You were wrong...
You are in fact stupid.
Any questions?
vwhobo
Hmmmm, let's see...
I gave him my opinion based on correct, factual information gathered over
40+ years of personal experience. When you can top that, or even come
close, go for it. Until then STFU douche bag.
vwhobo
Oh my...
You are totally wrong.
Please tell me what two words are joined to make the word "post's". I
really want to know. I've looked everywhere but I cannot find the two
words that join to make post's. I even went to
www.post's-is-a-contraction.com.
Please enlighten me.
And while you're at it, convince someone else that my use of the word
posts' was incorrect.
.
.
.
Please do.
My Life, My Era
I was saying that you were unintelligent because you failed to see what
hobo was talking about.....whereas I did. I'm no English teacher, but I do
have a reasonable knowledge of our language. If hobo comes back with a
reasonable reason for why he was right, so be it, I'll leave you to fight
amonst yourselves. You can call me a biased Forum leader if it'll make you
feel better darling. Just remember. I don't care what you think, as it's
clearly not true. :thumbs:
By the way, I'm still trying to figure out why you would send me a
PM....totally unprovoked (infact...it wasn't even in response to
anything....and before any of my posts in this topic), saying that you were
far supirior to everybody here....and that I should stop shoving filthy
words in your mouth? :screwy:
Cliffy
Vwhobo and I have been going at it since THE VERY DAY I joined back in
July.
My only real knock on him is that in some instances he preaches
righteousness, yet shows no class or decency while communicating with other
people.
I mean he told true brit off.
How can you possibly say anything mean to true_brit??? HE COULDN'T HURT A
MOUSE EVEN IF HE HAD A SLEDGEHAMMER! :(
BTW: The only contraction I can see post's being is for 'post is', like,
'That post's gone.'
I'm not sure what the context was.
Bronxie
ATTENTION ALL CF MEMBERS. IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL OF
VWHOBO.
In a statement released earlier today, the council of VWhobo put a new rule
into effect, stating that if you don't have at least 40 years experience on
a subject, you are NOT ALLOWED TO POST ABOUT IT!
The council of VWhobo released a statement to the press earlier:
"We sense there are too many users who don't have 40 years experience+ on
every single automotive subject.", said the council earlier today. "This
is simply not acceptable, and the council of VWhobo will not stand for
it."
The council went on to say that the ruling will go into effect immediately
and warned that, "None shall be spared."
The head of the council, VWhobo, declined to comment.
All transgressions will result in a verbal beating from vwhobo, a permanent
ban from the internet, and possibly castration for serious offenses.
Bronxie - Associated Press
Bronxie
where did you get that? (from the american equivalent of our ASBO
[anti-social behaviour order]?)
True_Brit
What?
I made that up myself lol
Bronxie
joke, very constructive!
(you should work for a council and be thier sign writer!)
True_Brit
OH sorry I didn't know what you were trying to say lol
Bronxie
Ok, here is what I believe he means....He could have said post's if he was
talking about one person's actions or content, in just the one post. For
example "I always correct your post's content where necessary". However, I
think he intended to write it so it came across as though he was talking
about one person still, but a number of that one person's posts....ex; "I
will always correct your posts' content".....two different meanings. Hope
that made sense...I really had to think about what I was saying there, It's
been a long day, and it's getting late! :laughing:
Cliffy
Am I the only one who thinks this is the stupidest argument ever? LOL
Who gives a shit!
Bronxie
Well, since you see...am I wrong? Can post's be a contraction of "post is"
or any other words?
Nope, sorry. Can't do that. The word "post" isn't able to be used as a
contraction. Majority of words formed into contractions are pronouns.
"Post" isn't a pronoun and it isn't one of the exceptions allowed to be
used in a contraction.
The word in question is posts'....read my signature.
and....
Oooohhh.....I forget nothing....
Remember when you said
I forget nothing.
My Life, My Era
If I am looking at it in the same way as you, yes, you are quite
correct...I guess. As for the PM, I understnd its meaning now, although it
was a little late. I still don't agree with it though.
Cliffy
You're exactly correct. Why didn't I see it that way before? It makes
much more sense for the OP to take the advice of somone with no knowledge
or practical experience on a subject (you) than it is to listen to someone
who has extensive knowledge, training and experience on the subject (me).
I can't believe I ever thought otherwise.
Thank you for once again proving what I've said about you before. You are
a no nothing, do nothing, know-it-all who is only concerned with being
perceived as being correct... Even though you seldom are.
So, how about you tell me where I screwed up on my one-handed, tabletop,
can-can today. That is if you know what it is. I'm sure you'll know more
about what I'm doing wrong than I do. After all, you can sit in front of
your computer and google it up. I'm just the stupid old guy out there
trying to make it happen, one crash at a time.
vwhobo
I know what a "one-handed can-can tabletop" is...after googling it.
Originally, I thought it was a bike part :laughing:
chris_knows
Unfortunately, you weren't giving him info. on the same subject as I was.
You would have a point if you were offering info. on the same subject as I
and my views conflicted with yours.
However, that wasn't the case at all. In fact, you didn't even bother to
correct what was supposedly wrong with that single line of info. I gave, so
where in this should your "superiority" come into play?
All you did was say, "You're wrong because I know more about this."
I don't know shit about dirtbikes but I was trying to offer the kid what I
knew about two strokers, and instead of helping, you had to be a selfish
piece of crap and make this discussion something it never was/should have
been.
Way to go.
Bronxie
I don`t understand what is with all the bickering. As for you VWHOBO, if
you can`t be constructive. STFU!!!!!!! In the past year of reading these
posts I have determined that you have over 40 years of experience. Doing
what? Being a dick? Why can`t you just say your "informed" bit and leave it
at that. Did you fall off your VW once too often, or are you allways a
jackass? Maybe the exhaust leak in your bug fried the few brain cells you
had. Can`t wait to see what smart ass comment you have for me. Go back to
living in the tree you fell out of. twat
talon699
I don't understand why you even have an argument when it clearly says you
don't know crap about cars under your name. At least Hobo does know about
cars, whether he chooses to share it is up to him.
Mathew
What in the hell are you talking about? He corrected other peoples' posts
in this thread. Confronting you makes you remember what was right and wrong
about your statement. For example:
You truly have to be a dumbass. That button on your keyboard next to the
"1" key is not an apostrophe it's a grave accent. It is not meant to form a
contraction, dipshit. The key you are looking for is right next to the
"Enter" button.
I bet you know which symbol to use now. Whether you will use the correct
one is up to you, however.
chris_knows
Remind me again who you are, what you've ever done for this forum or it's
members and why I give a rat's ass what you think.
That's what I thought. :sleep:
vwhobo
LOL wtf @ that guy's post
Bronxie
Okay, fair enough. Give us a complete rundown of your direct experience
with dirtbikes and two-stroke engines in chronological order.. That should
take all of ten seconds to type.
vwhobo
I rode a dirt bike.
I burnt my leg on a part that was connected to its two stroker engine.
Took about 7 seconds. I'm a fast typer.
Bronxie
Hey if your still looking for a bike... new or used... get a ktm... very
dependable and fast, i'd go with a nice 125 ktm sx or exc there a lil more
then beginer but very nice, i have one myself, then just buy some
after,arket parts for it and your all set.
and plus... orange is faster:orglaugh:
redneckrider
The best thing you could have done is completely stay away from this
thread. Your user title states "Dont know crap about cars". That obviously
goes double for motorcycles. Leave the thinking and explanations to those
of us who have knowledge and practical experience. You just go spend some
more of Daddy's money. It seems that's the only thing you're good for.
bimmerz_vn
